Posts by Awakened at Gilead

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2009-The Bible-What Is Its Message-brochure--PDF!

by Atlantis in

2009 the bible-what is its message-brochure--pdf!

we thank "yknot" dearly for sending the brochure and book for scanning.

i will start on the book in a few hours, but have to get a little shut-eye and then will continue.

Awakened at Gilead

Oh goody, but wrong title. Should be: "The Bible for Dummies"

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Reading a letter of disassociation by a Mormon sounds a lot like the experiences of JW's

by gubberningbody in

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http://www.exmormon.org/whylft125.htm.

...jw's who've been diligent, sincere and finally realizing that they've been misled from the beginning, by others who are as the scriptures say "misleading and being misled" 2 ti.

3:13. .

Awakened at Gilead

You could replace the work mormon with WT, Bethel with BYU, and it would make perfect sense.

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Regarding Quoting Scriptures All the Time

by AllTimeJeff in

are you really thinking for yourself when you quote scriptures all the time as your personal answer?.

i bring this up for two reasons: first and foremost, it became almost a game in jw land, a competition to see who had the better (wt approved) passage when something came up.. almost always of course, if it was "of this world", well, we know the nwt in particular is full of how bad "the world" is.

can't be part of "this world") its bad!.

Awakened at Gilead

Would a personal experience with God, such as sensing his presence in the same room with you count?

You can use a personal experience as just that, a personal experience. But don't expect others to believe just because you have had a personal experience.

Problem is, for alot of people, those that have the attitude, "I won't believe it unless I actually see it, smell it, touch it and taste it."

Is there a problem with that?

For some, I guess, faith is useless for them because they're nothing substantial for them.

I don't understand what you are writing here. Your pronouns don't match.

But if you are saying that some reject faith for the sake of rejecting faith, you must realize that many people are not going to take other people's word for something. Even in the Bible this is considered a virtue at times:

(Numbers 16:28-30) . . .Then Moses said: "By this YOU will know that Jehovah has sent me to do all these deeds, that it is not of my own heart: 29 If it is according to the death of all mankind that these people will die and with the punishment of all mankind that punishment will be brought upon them, then it is not Jehovah that has sent me. 30 But if it is something created that Jehovah will create, and the ground has to open its mouth and swallow up them and everything that belongs to them and they have to go down alive into She´ol, YOU will then know for certain that these men have treated Jehovah disrespectfully."

(Exodus 4:8-9) . . .And it must occur that," to quote him, "if they will not believe you and will not listen to the voice of the first sign, then they will certainly believe the voice of the later sign. 9 Still, it must occur that, if they will not believe even these two signs and will not listen to your voice, then you will have to take some water from the Nile River and pour it out on the dry land; and the water that you will take from the Nile River will certainly become, yes, it will indeed become blood on the dry land."

(Isaiah 7:10-11) 10 And Jehovah went on speaking some more to A´haz, saying: 11 "Ask for yourself a sign from Jehovah your God, making it as deep as She´ol or making it high as the upper regions."

(2 Kings 20:8-11) . . .Meantime, Hez·e·ki´ah said to Isaiah: "What is the sign that Jehovah will heal me and I shall certainly go up on the third day to the house of Jehovah?" 9 To this Isaiah said: "This is the sign for you from Jehovah that Jehovah will perform the word that he has spoken: Shall the shadow actually go forward ten steps [of the stairs] or should it go back ten steps?" 10 Then Hez·e·ki´ah said: "It is an easy thing for the shadow to extend itself ten steps, but not that the shadow should go backward ten steps." 11 At that Isaiah the prophet began to call out to Jehovah; and he made the shadow that had gone down gradually go back on the steps, that is, on the steps [of the stairs] of A´haz, ten steps backward.

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Regarding Quoting Scriptures All the Time

by AllTimeJeff in

are you really thinking for yourself when you quote scriptures all the time as your personal answer?.

i bring this up for two reasons: first and foremost, it became almost a game in jw land, a competition to see who had the better (wt approved) passage when something came up.. almost always of course, if it was "of this world", well, we know the nwt in particular is full of how bad "the world" is.

can't be part of "this world") its bad!.

Awakened at Gilead

I understand the point you are making Jeff, although I can't lay claim to reading the Bible 20 times (more like 7 for myself).

In my undergrad, in one culture/communication class our professor asked us about our definitions of self and how culture had played a role in such definitions. I realized very quickly that my definition of self was entirely based on JW dogma, positions, and Bible thumping. I could not define myself without quoting scripture.

Thus, the class helped me to realize that I had no sense of self-identity outside of JWs, and that I needed to obtain a self-identity without using the Bible or spouting Bible texts.

I respect Reniaa and Chalam for their beliefs, but I am offended when they keep on spitting out scriptires that we no longer believe in as if we are condemned for not believing in them. As has been noted, should I quote from the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Book of Mormon, they would think it ridiculous. Yet, that is how the Bible sounds to those who no longer believe in it.

As a boiled, not baptized, pastafarian, we believe that the holy spirit has nothing to do with enlightenment:

"We are of the belief that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the one living example of a giant squid to test who was a true believer" GotFSM, Enlightenment145:1

"I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or be mean to others. I don't require scarifices and purity is for drinking water" GotFSM, The Holy Noodle 78:2

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I agree with Jehovah's Witnesses!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

i agree with jehovah's witnesses!.

(i bet reniaa will be shocked to see this thread!).

to jehovah's witnesses: i commend your zeal for god, your desire for accurate knowledge and truth of the bible, your goals of drawing close to jehovah, and following and obeying christ's teachings, and your time spent studying the bible.

Awakened at Gilead

I don't agree with any of it, except that I'm not under the Mosaic law either. I live in the United States, a secular country.

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Watchtower in Michael Jackson's Will???

by Confucious in

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wallstreet journal today is reporting about mj's will.. they are saying that it's his mother, three children and "one or more" charities.. what do you think the odds are that the wt is one of them?.

i remember for the jackson's victory tour (a very long time ago) - that they donated most of that tour money to a "unnamed" charity.. and i always suspected that the wt were the recepients.. and thoughts?.

Awakened at Gilead

When I was at Bethel I heard a rumor that MJ had tried to donate money to the society, but the society refused to accept the thriller money...

I doubt they will refuse now if they are named in the will...

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Donating Blood

by vikesgirl101 in

okay, so i am guessing this has been posted in the past, but not recently.. after removing myself from the influence of the org, i wanted to do something different to symbolize drift.

i am thinking about donating blood.

the reason is not just symbolic, but i heard it can save up to like 25 lives.